Helwagen Chat: June 23 Archive

Helwagen Chat: June 23 Archive

Here are excerpts from Thursday's Chat with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. He conducts these Chat sessions each week for Bucknuts.com subscribers.

Hulk350 (Jun 23, 2005 12:05:53 PM)
Steve, anymore news on Ausberry out of Cali and Wallace from Maryland? Also Coleman is supposed to announce his commitment soon, he says its between us and Iowa, does Ohio State still have an advantage? Also your comments on Cumberland, Small, Rose, Gibson, Lyons, Smith, and Brown

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:07:14 PM)
Ausberry was supposed to camp but canceled. May make it out later on. Wallace was here and had a fabulous time. I think OSU is in the running. He is a big corner with 4.4 speed, reputedly, and a ton of great offers. I know Duane's sources said Coleman was a lock to OSU. We shall see. Iowa is really making them work for it, looks like ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:07:37 PM)
You had no shortage of guys to talk about, huh? OK ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:08:32 PM)
Cumberland, an incredible physical specimen. Scout may put him in their top 100. If he gets academics squared away, he can write his own ticket. He is tight with Alex Daniels et al., though, so I'd consider Minnesota as a serious threat.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:09:32 PM)
Gary now says that Gibson is in the same category of Small and Rose (i.e. more than likely future Buckeyes). We shall see on that, but from what I've seen and heard from them I'd agree. They may make the grand tour and do visits, but likely settle in back at Ohio State ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:10:52 PM)
On Lyons, Gary posted the update today and said Miami or OSU. I think if OSU is as serious about him as we're being led to believe they are, this is where he goes to school. Smith has been looking hard at Michigan, but I think it's still OSU. No clue on Brown. I think OSU and Florida are probly the top two there.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:11:03 PM)
That covers just about everything, good night now ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:11:06 PM)
Ha ha ...

Guest (Jun 23, 2005 12:11:08 PM)
2 questions for you. Conley, Oden, when? And rankings? When, I feel like I've been waiting forever on both

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:11:53 PM)
billy had a good question before apparently leaving. He said, "Conley, Oden, when? And rankings? When I geel like I've been waiting forever on both."

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 12:12:52 PM)
Billy has now morphed into noscrubstud, sorry I just got kicked off.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:13:07 PM)
No problem, I know that happens (hopefully not to me today) ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:14:50 PM)
OK, I am going to Richmond, Ind., tonight to see Oden and Conley in the third game of the Indiana exhibition series with the senior all-stars. I think the NBA ruling probably forces Oden's hand into playing one year of college ball. All indications remain Ohio State as the leader over Wake Forest. The rumors remain that they'd like to get it done within the next 2-3 weeks. I thought doing it at Reebok ABCD would give them national exposure. We'll see how they want to play it, I guess. ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:15:19 PM)
I hope to have an interview with them from tonight. We shall see ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:16:57 PM)
Regarding the rankings, Jamie Newberg says it should be ready on Monday, the national top 100. Now whether they release it Monday, again, we'll see. They hope to launch with video of all 100 guys. Sometimes that is the hangup. But he and Allen Wallace are whittling it down as we speak.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 12:17:00 PM)
How much impact does the senior year have on recruiting, when it seems like so much is accomplished before it even takes place? Do players ever get lazy?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:18:25 PM)
Yes, very often, kids with scholarships in hand "take it easy" and try to avoid injuries, etc. Football is not a game meant to be played at half-speed, though, and sometimes that lends itself to even bigger problems. Most times, though, kids who are good enough to get early offers have enough pride and inner drive to see things through as leaders on and off the field during their senior year. Those stories are few and far between where guys mail it in as seniors.

BUCKICRAZY (Jun 23, 2005 12:18:42 PM)
With the NBA setting an age limit do you think players will start to go over seas or join the DNBL.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:20:28 PM)
That is a good point. An Oden, for instance, could go to Europe next year and make some money playing there, then come to the NBA the following year. If the developmental league is under the auspices of the NBA, I can't imagine them allowing guys to play there in that first year, either. Again, this is all coming out so fast. We'll have to see how it works out.

diehardbucfan2004 (Jun 23, 2005 12:20:34 PM)
Is it just me, or does Chris Wells blow everyone else away on film. I still cant believe that they have a running back rated higher than him. And the scary thing about him is that he has gotten bigger and faster. Supposedly running a 4.4 40, and around 230 Ibs now. If those numbers are true, WOW!

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:23:20 PM)
Yes, Chris is quite a specimen. He is well built. Butch Reynolds has worked with him extremely hard on his speed. Chris ran a 4.51 at the Akron Scout camp, which was among the fastest times there (along with Cumberland) on a slow track. I want to see how Chris responds as a senior. His Garfield team mixes some quality opponents with teams in its City Series, so he faces some good competition and 5 games they should win rather handily. He will be a load for anybody. When you're 230 pounds and have legit sub-4.5 speed, you don't need to be any faster. It will take the defense an extra 3-5 yards just to try and bring you down if you have a good head of steam going.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:23:31 PM)
Kind of like the Reecie factor when he was healthy.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 12:23:40 PM)
Is Oden at OSU, a good thing even if its only for one year?

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 12:23:44 PM)
I mean it is otherwise, but just for a year>?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:25:07 PM)
Yes, it would be huge even if it's just for one year. Look at the impact Carmelo Anthony had in one year. Granted they play different positions. But Ohio State would get a major credibility boost in basketball and recruiting circles if Oden was there for even just one year. It's all about elevating your program. ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:26:49 PM)
Here's an example, they finished sixth or seventh last year with Stockman and BFC on the roster. No knock on those guys, nice people and all, but I think most pundits say Lewis and Mayes will be an upgrade. Ditto the following year when Lighty, Cook and maybe Conley come in. Probly an upgrade. Same would apply for Oden. You're talking about a talent level OSU hasn't had in any SINGLE player in YEARS, and you'd have it with 3-4 guys immediately. Can't help but be a good thing.

Hulk350 (Jun 23, 2005 12:27:10 PM)
I read an article that said that Jamario O'Neal is practicing very hard to play cornerback here at OSU and that he is already enrolled for the summer. He is the perfect size to player corner but my question is how fast is he and how fast is his closing speed? Do you think that he will benefit from workin with newly hired Reynolds? and what are his chances for seeing signicant playing time next year

Guest (Jun 23, 2005 12:27:24 PM)
Will Jemario have a legit chance at starting at CB?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:29:43 PM)
Speed should not be an issue with Jamario O'Neal. When he was completely healthy as a junior, he and Lenix were finalists in the state meet in the 100-meter dash. That says it all. Having watched him in the Ohio game, I see he needs some coaching on technique. But he overcame the technique problems, at some points, with great closing speed. Go to the video library on the Football Recruiting board and watch the video of his sophomore tape from Mansfield. That may be the single most impressive piece of prospect tape I've seen. Come back sometime and tell me what you think of him then.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:30:19 PM)
And in regards to his health, he was fighting a hamstring during track and missed the district meet so he didn't get in the open 100 and 200, like he probably would have.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:30:26 PM)
I think he's healing now.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 12:30:41 PM)
Who are the top out of state prospects you feel OSU has a good shot at landing? Are Rueland and Ausberry in that group?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:31:42 PM)
Yes, I would say so. Reuland has a lot of faves. The big key is that he follows up on his word and comes out in August for the unofficial. If he doesn't do that and doesn't schedule an official at some point, scratch him. Ausberry says OSU and USC are his co-faves. USC is right there, though. We'll see on that.

Guest (Jun 23, 2005 12:31:51 PM)
Hey Steve I know we talk recruiting quite a bit but what is your take on the O-lineman we are after. We can't sign them all and have already lost one to the team up North. How many do you think they will take in this class.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:32:09 PM)
keato asks about offensive linemen in this class and how many they may sign ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:33:22 PM)
I think they have the numbers up to where they can sign, maybe, 3 and go from there. You have Ballard who could be a swing guy at OL or TE. Dave Biddle will have a story on him up at some point. Maybe he addresses in there which way he could go. Then you have Smith and Brown. One great one from OOS would give them 3 and Ballard. That's all they need, IMO, unless more spots open up.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 12:33:37 PM)
If Oden and Conley sign, who do you think we get after that?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:36:30 PM)
Maybe Raymar Morgan from Canton McKinley to be the 3-1/2 (four) that Matta likes ... a guy who can go inside and score and rebound but also has three-point range to stretch the defense and open the middle for the single post. I was thinking about this. They have 10 guys on scholarship, but are losing 4. That means they can take a total of 7 guys this year and 3 more next year. Or it could be 6 this year and 4 the next or 5 this year and 5 the next. What a GREAT position to be in with all the talent in Ohio in the 2006 and 2007 classes. And they may save a spot for 2008 as well, where right now they could only take 2 (to replace Butler and Twig).

ToMac (Jun 23, 2005 12:36:58 PM)
I just watched the video of Dante Jackson from team camp. He looked like a strong ball handler. I assume shooting is a work in progress. How are his passing and defensive skills?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:38:41 PM)
Well, Jackson had 39 in a regional semifinal loss, so my guess is he can fill it. He is a good all around player in my book. Xavier has already offered. Ohio State, it seems, wants to wrap up its 2006 recruiting before actively pursuing help for 2007 (beyond, say, Lauderdale). But I think he is high on their list. He didn't do anything this past weekend to lower his status, I'll say that. And he loves Ohio State. He's being patient.

BUCKICRAZY (Jun 23, 2005 12:39:02 PM)
With the addition of Butch to the OSU staff and his history in the Olympics do you think Ginn will run the 400 meters in the next track season?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:41:23 PM)
Oh, I don't know. It's interesting, Ginn was held out of track so he could rest his body and maybe add 5-10 pounds of needed bulk. Academics were also reportedly part of it, though I believe Ted was an OSU scholar-athlete as a freshman. My guess is if he wants to run track next spring, he will be able to do that when it does not conflict with football. Having Butch around can only be seen as a plus. In terms of which event he would train for, the hurdles have always been his priority because he is such a special talent. The open quarter may require less work (timing the hurdles) and could fit his practice availability schedule better, though. I'm sure they'll work it out.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 12:41:55 PM)
Who was the better freshman, MoC, or Ted Ginn

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:43:47 PM)
They made impacts in two different ways. Clarett, when healthy, was the workhorse back that helped them just wear teams down into submission. But Ginn's string of 6 TDs in excess of 58 yards ... wow is all I can say. Both special. Clarett was involved in more plays and was involved more from game 1 to 14 than Ginn was. Give a slight nod to Reecie, but there is no doubt who is on track to have the better college (and possibly pro) career.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 12:43:55 PM)
If we lose out on Conley, Oden, where do we go from there?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:45:29 PM)
They still have some other irons in the fire with players like Morgan, Luke Harangody and more. I'd see them almost immediately drop down to some of the top juniors they may want like a Lauderdale and put the full-court press on. I agree with your premise, though, they need to be prepared for all contingencies and not put all their eggs in one basket. ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:46:47 PM)
Regarding Conley and Oden, most believe Oden would have the biggest impact. True, in one year, he could lead them to a Sweet 16 or Final Four. They could, as a group, replace the Fab Five in everybody's heart and minds (maybe). But Conley projects as a likely 3-4 year college player. Over time, he may have more impact as the driving force of your program, perhaps, than Oden may in one year. Just a thought.

crazybuckfan40 (Jun 23, 2005 12:47:21 PM)
Our defense looks stacked for this year, and there are players that need to see the field that will have a hard time doing it. How will they find ways for guys like Freeman, Hoobler, and all the d-lineman to find the field.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:49:03 PM)
Good question. The coaches will need to parcel out plays. One way to do it is to give, say, Carpenter a blow and let Freeman play with Hawk and Schlegel early in a game. Then put Hoobler in with Carpenter and Hawk and so on. You don't sub the whole unit until the game is out of hand. But you give guys a break for 3-5 plays and keep everybody fresh. It is a great problem to have, much better than scratching around for who should play. This is a positive situation, to me.

MuskieBuck (Jun 23, 2005 12:49:16 PM)
Steve, I am concerned about the state of our OL recruiting. Brown, depending on who you talk to, may not be a lokc for OSU and we have already lost a top OL to U of M. Are there any other OL's we are looking at and how do you think we sit with Aaron Brown?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:52:24 PM)
As I said earlier, my sources say Brown is looking at many schools but the front runners could be OSU and Florida. He will not be deciding real early, so you have to play the game out and see what happens. OSU's recent OL success with guys like Barton and Mitchum and Boone and Cordle can work against them. They have good OL depth. Guys want a chance to play right away.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:53:15 PM)
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noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 12:54:14 PM)
With talk of how the Bucks missed on Sutton, who was the best in state player the Buckeyes never recruited?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:54:25 PM)
Great question ... hmmm ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:56:39 PM)
There was DeShawn Wynn in 2002, not sure if they didn't offer because of Clarett or what ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:58:04 PM)
They were a little tardy in offering Brady Quinn in 2003 and that's why he went to ND instead, as I recall. In 2000, OSU may have hesitated on Walter Reyes from Struthers and he had a great career at Syracuse.

diehardbucfan2004 (Jun 23, 2005 12:58:12 PM)
In Phil Steele's preseason rankings, he rated OSU's d-line as one of the best in the country. I know we have the potential, but do you agree with this ranking? I tend to respect what Steele sais most of the time.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 12:59:13 PM)
Yes, because Phil, as primarlily a handicapper, studied the last 5-6 games when that line came on and everybody except Fraser is back and there is some fine recruiting help coming too with Worthington and Wilson. The potential is there for them to have a top-10 DL.

Hulk350 (Jun 23, 2005 12:59:17 PM)
Steve what do you think of Bob Gulley? He is from my hometown (Berea) and size wise he is comparible to another Berea guy in Alex Stepanovich. He doesnt have all the strength and power yet but he certainly has the frame to acquire it. Do you think if he camps well that he will receive an offer?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:00:27 PM)
He was one of many OL at the Akron combine. I did not see him personally, though. I assume he'll be at OSU the next two days. Competition is so tight. I think they only sign three OL, maybe 4 if a spot somewhere opens up. I could not hazard a guess, even with a good camp, if Bob would get an offer.

Texbucknut (Jun 23, 2005 1:00:35 PM)
Steve, How many verbals do you expect we will have by opening day in September?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:01:32 PM)
Maybe 6-8. Things should pick up in the next few weeks. Then we usually see guys get it out of the way in August. They go to that first 2-a-day and get smacked around. They come home, think about it and decide they better cinch up their future and they make that call.

MuskieBuck (Jun 23, 2005 1:01:45 PM)
Since it seems we would like to take 3-4 OL's this recruiting season, could our tactic be to find 2 OT's early and then pick up 2 "road grader" guards from in state later-the kid from Glenville and the one from Shaker Heights for example? Or, are the Bucks looking for smaller, more athletic types at guard now?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:02:41 PM)
No, I think Rehring and Boone show they'll take big guys who can move and play. That's it, really. They want guys who can move and play. They could be 6-4, 280 or up to 6-7, 320. If they can move and play and show potential for a great college career, they have a chance to be offered.

ny buckeye (Jun 23, 2005 1:02:53 PM)
i dont put any weight in to the Sutton talk... Mo Wells is surely better than him but are there any other RBs that we should be looking at and not ?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:05:39 PM)
You won't downgrade Sutton in my house. That kid is tough. He could be a 1,000-yard rusher in the NU system, kind of like Damien Anderson was. Plus he catches the ball out of the backfield, too. He's perfect for the one back spread that Walker favors. You hope Wells is better. I will never say the OSU staff whiffed or missed on a kid. I have too much respect for their abilities. They earn their money on that ability to identify and recruit talented players. I leave it simply that they preferred Wells over Sutton and leave it at that. As far as other backs, they need a special breed of cat who will come in and not care about Mo or Chris Wells and just wants to compete for a job, a guy with a pre-disposition to just love Ohio State.

diehardbucfan2004 (Jun 23, 2005 1:06:19 PM)
Why is it that you don't see OSU recruiting the big 6-4 330 pound Nose tackles like a Warren Sapp or Teddy Washington. It seems as if the majority of college teams out their have a huge NT. I believe a guy like Pitcock would n't be playing NT for any other big name schools. He would be starting at the other DT spot.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:07:48 PM)
It could be a philosophy. Marcus Green was 320 and they toned him down to where they wanted him. There aren't many truly talented 330-pound guys around (who are eligible, too). You have to remember that. ND went downhill when it tightened academics and could not recruit impact game-changing defensive linemen. Everything starts right there in college football.

diehardbucfan2004 (Jun 23, 2005 1:07:53 PM)
Do you see OSU offering Bryant Browning? He has an offer from Iowa, and I would hate to see him go there.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:08:25 PM)
I dunno. They have the Glenville pipeline and all, but Daven Jones, the receiver, is proof that they can't take them all. We'll see if OSU feels Browning fits their plan.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:08:32 PM)
Is Avrel Nelson more like Troy Smith or more like Justin Zwick in terms of mobility? And is it possible he ever gets offered

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:09:47 PM)
He is a bigger kid height wise than Smith. Maybe a hybrid. I think he has a chance to get offered with a big weekend camp. But it would be a slim chance. Duane really likes him. I would bet OSU wants to see senior tape on him before taking that leap.

redondo (Jun 23, 2005 1:09:55 PM)
Hi Steve - Are there graduation percentage incentives or anything similar in Matta's contract? The context of my question is the unintended consequences of the one-and-done situations we'll begin to see in college basketball with the one year removed from h.s. limit the NBA is adopting.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:11:35 PM)
You make a good point. I would assume Matta has some academic incentive clauses. The APR, alone, is something that will need tended to. This is the trade-off schools will have to make -- going for the players that can help it win a title for a great 1-2 year run and also still recruiting almost "program role" players who will be there and graduate. It's hard to do that with 13 scholarships, although OSU shows they're 3 under the limit now.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:12:23 PM)
While I have a lull from questions ... I don't want to go off on a rant here, but ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:13:19 PM)
I want to let everybody know this is an important time for Bucknuts.com. We still feel we are in our building phase. We are relatively new, just 4-5 years old roughly. Amazingly, there are plenty of OSU fans who don't know about us still. ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:14:44 PM)
We need your help. We need good word of mouth about our site. We feel we have put the time, effort and money into building something special. If you like the upgrades we have made with video, bring Dave Biddle in full-time, hiring Bill Conley for commentary and so on, please let your friends and fellow OSU fans know who we are and where they can go to get the latest and best info on OSU sports.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:15:23 PM)
As I said, we're still building this thing and we have even bigger hopes, plans and dreams for things we can do for YOU. Help us build it and it will be a better site ... and nobody will get hurt (ha ha). Now, on with the countdown ...

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:15:26 PM)
any kickers or punters worth mentioning this year?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:16:03 PM)
Not that I'm aware of. Obviously, if Skeete's banishment becomes permanent they'll need to go wading through the kicker pool again. Trapasso is the guy at punter, pretty clearly.

redondo (Jun 23, 2005 1:16:12 PM)
Hi Steve - Kurt Coleman spoke of Coach T's deck of "value cards". I had not heard of this until now. Do you know about this? Can you describe it in a bit more detail and/or how they get introduced into the discussion with a recruit? Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:17:04 PM)
Never heard of it. I assume he uses it as a teaching tool to get kids to look big picture as opposed to "playing time, uniform number, things to do," the usual things kids pick a school on (ha ha).

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:17:09 PM)
How many people are actually involved with the site? What are their backgrounds?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:18:24 PM)
Let's see, we have probably 4 full-time staff members (myself, Dave, Duane Long and webmaster Kirk) and a host of part-time help (Gary Housteau, Kyle Lamb, Charles Babb, Jerry Rudzinski, Bill Conley and others). Plus, Mr. Bucknuts, whom we refer to as the "chief executive Bucknut."

redondo (Jun 23, 2005 1:18:27 PM)
Hi Steve - any further word on Skete? thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:19:06 PM)
As I understand it, he is not on the team right now. Maybe that will translate into a one-year suspension or become permanent. State of flux, I assume, until he goes through the legal system.

riverwatchbucknut (Jun 23, 2005 1:20:27 PM)
have you heard anything about the latest with mixon apparently verbaled to michigan

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:21:12 PM)
I know Tom Beaver said in a message board post on his premium board that Mixon has told them a verbal is imminent. That is all that I know. Given the Colerain-to-UM pipeline, this is not a surprise, obviously.

diehardbucfan2004 (Jun 23, 2005 1:21:19 PM)
Compare Chris Wells with some of the other top TB's to come out of HS in recent years.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:21:57 PM)
He may be a cross between Eddie George (smooth) and Maurice Clarett (strong runner). That sounds absurd. Hey, if he turns out as good as Jonathan Wells as a senior, I'd settle for that (ha ha).

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:22:01 PM)
So Lee Tilley's grades are the main reason we don't offer?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:22:59 PM)
I think that is one factor. He may not fit the mold they are looking for. I just don't know. This is all a guessing game when people ask what the "staff is thinking." The kids don't know why they aren't being recruited. But grades are certainly an issue, I understand.

BuckeyeDave (Jun 23, 2005 1:23:02 PM)
Whats your opinion on ESPN Gameday being at the Texas-Ohio St game? Any chance Ohio St will say "Thanks, but no thanks."? Is there going to be a better location for Gameday that Saturday? I guess the Kirk Herbstreit High School game at Columbus Crew stadium might just be a tip-off?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:24:16 PM)
They could be at Ann Arbor for ND-Michigan and Weis' big coming out party that day. But I think they will be at Ohio State when all is said and done. Time for that feud to run its course. They could always stage the show inside the stadium with invited guests only.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:24:55 PM)
They do that in some locations. Remember the game is at 8 and that show runs from 10:30-noon with look-ins as warranted throughout the day. How rowdy will it be 8 hours before gametime?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:25:05 PM)
Don't answer that (ha ha).

ncbuckeye (Jun 23, 2005 1:25:14 PM)
Good afternoon Steve, just wondering if you have any winks with senior camps going on at tOSU, possible verbals or scholarship offers? Thanks U the man.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:26:01 PM)
Nope, there will be 400 kids here at OSU the next 2 days. That's a lot of guys to sift through. The weather will be 92 tomorrow and probly just as hot on Sat. That makes it great to see which kids answer the bell under adverse conditions.

Hulk350 (Jun 23, 2005 1:26:15 PM)
Well you guys must be doing something right b/c scout.com has you listed as one of their featured sites, and when I tell my friends and colleagues about info on recruiting and what not, they ask where I get my info and always tell them its bucknuts.com. I was just tellin someone today about how I read about OSU scheduling USC and Miami for future games. You guys are great, keep it up!

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:27:21 PM)
Much appreciated. That schedule story and the ones we've done on Ryan Miller, Orlando Pace and Michael Redd make us much more than just a "recruiting site," we feel. We think we're on the cutting edge of something pretty big here -- comprehensive coverage of OSU athletics and recruiting.

BuckeyeDave (Jun 23, 2005 1:27:25 PM)
When can we expect to hear from Ramzy again?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:28:34 PM)
Good question. Ramzy was a regular contributor before I got here 2 years ago. And, no, I did not "get rid of him." As I understand it, he had some other commitments that monopolized his time. I will have Kirk try and send out a line and request some of his special humor. With all of the negative stories we've had to sift through, some levity may be appropriate.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:28:46 PM)
I know this is looking ahead, but who are the big prospects in FB as far as juniors this year

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:30:13 PM)
Bill Greene and Duane swear by Canton South's Devon Torrence as a can't-miss kid. He could play RB or DB, I believe. Also a great baseball player and could get drafted there a year from now. Beyond that, RB Jordan Maybin from Macedonia Nordonia is high on the list. He's tight with his cousin Dorin Dickerson, a PA WR who was set to verbal for Pitt, I believe. There are others, of course. We'll keep tabs on the juniors as the year continues.

labsbeabmm (Jun 23, 2005 1:30:19 PM)
Lyon's recent comments would, i think, suggest he is Miami bound. He seems to think there would be too much talent ahead of him at OSU to play early. I suspect he is right.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:30:30 PM)
Yep, good observation. OSU is loaded at receiver.

redondo (Jun 23, 2005 1:30:37 PM)
Hi Steve - any word on a 12th game for this year? thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:30:50 PM)
No, the 12th game does not become permament until 2006.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:31:12 PM)
They still need a 12th game with Tressel pushing for (yawn) Youngstown State.

Hulk350 (Jun 23, 2005 1:31:31 PM)
absolutely, that Pace story was great! I love reading about things other than the usual ht, wt, 40 time etc! also I just wanted to say that I think what Ginn Sr. is doing for his kids and other area players is fantastic! Getting them exposure on that road trip is great and from what I understand a lot of the players that went received offers on the trip. In my opinion Ginn is second to none when it comes to high school coaches

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:33:25 PM)
Agreed on Pace. That was Dave Biddle's mission in life the last few weeks to nail that interview. Glad he got him and it turned out so good. On Ginn, agreed, that guy has a vision. With his son at OSU, yes, he will be biased toward Ohio State. I think everybody knows that. But he also understands that OSU can't take everybody, so they went to MAC schools and Big Ten schools and Cincinnati and wherever they could get in to get exposure, not only for his guys but guys at 5-6 other schools as well. In this day and age, you have to market yourself a little.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:33:38 PM)
Lyons a little to scared of competition?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:34:58 PM)
I didn't read the article, but the handwriting is kind of on the wall. Even if Holmes leaves after 05, they'd still have Ginn, Gonzalez, Devon Lyons, Albert Dukes, Roy Hall, Devin Jordan, Andre Amos (looked good Sat.), Brian Hartline (fully recovered) and whoever else I'm missing. Pretty good group.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:35:04 PM)
I just read somewhere that Mixon verballed to michigan

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:35:47 PM)
That's been rumored all day now. Looks like a done deal.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:38:04 PM)
Any reason why he committed with them? Was that a big loss for them?

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:38:53 PM)
I know the Buckeyes have offered a ton of linebackers, they can't take them all right?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:39:16 PM)
He joins teammate Mister Simpson and a number of Colerain guys (B.J. Askew) who have gone to Michigan. They just have a pipeline with that program. He is a nice player. We posted a video clip last week and he looked good there in the state title game. Yep, OSU can't take them all.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:39:47 PM)
Guys, that's 93 minutes, and I've got camp and other things happening today before I go to Indiana for Oden/Conley. It's been fun. We'll do it again real soon.

buckgrad (Jun 23, 2005 1:39:50 PM)
does this mean Connor smith is likely to follow?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:40:37 PM)
No, I don't see that as an "automatic" or anything. His dad played at OSU. I think Michigan has put a hard push on for Connor, from the comments published this week. I think OSU is still the team to beat.

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:41:02 PM)
How do players end up deciding between Ohio State and Michigan? I grew up in Athens Ohio, and I hate Michigan, I just don't understand how you can pick between one or the other? That leaves us 2-2 when it came down to Michigan or OSU this year for in state guys, I think we need to do better than that.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:42:56 PM)
Michigan considers Ohio prime recruiting territory. A month or two back, they had only offered one in-state player from Michigan. They put a lot of time and emphasis into recruiting Ohio. The football here is three times better than in Michigan, where they play hockey or icefish or I don't know what (ha ha). Losing guys to Michigan is not a surprise. Losing high quality guys -- and a number of them -- would certainly be a concern. Don't go off the deep end just yet.

diehardbucfan2004 (Jun 23, 2005 1:43:02 PM)
I sure hope not. Tress and company need to pull out all the stops for Smith!!!!

diehardbucfan2004 (Jun 23, 2005 1:43:04 PM)
Someone needs to kick that guys @$$ from Colerain who is friends with that Michigan coach!

diehardbucfan2004 (Jun 23, 2005 1:43:07 PM)
The same goes for Warren Harding!!!!

SteveHelwagen (Jun 23, 2005 1:43:27 PM)
Guys, I gotta run, feel free to talk among yourselves. I'll turn moderation off now. Thanks for coming!

noscrubstud (Jun 23, 2005 1:43:56 PM)
Have a good trip Steve

diehardbucfan2004 (Jun 23, 2005 1:44:04 PM)
Thanks Steve! Keep up the good work.

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